Final Round Blogs: Blood Knight Battle Royale
(u/imgonnadeleteyou, creator of the blog)
"It is the fight alone that pleases us, not the victory." - Blaise Pascal
Battle Beast, the Scourge of the Twin Galaxies
Lord Boros, the Dominator of the Universe
Thor, the Thunder Berserker
Kenpachi Zaraki, the Strongest Shinigami
Ever since Caine first smashed Abel's head in with a rock, conflict has been an inescapable aspect of humanity. Some have feared and ran from it. Some have used it to their advantage. Uncountable amounts have fallen to it.
But for these men, it is their life.
All these warriors have revelled in and live for the sole satisfaction of a good fight. But only one will survive the time of their lives, and only one will live through The Final Round.
Before we start
These characters have surprisingly big media lists, but what's used shouldn't be majorly controversial.
For Battle Beast, we will be using both the Invincible show and Comics. Only 2 crossovers will be used, the Tick issue #100, which shows Mark entering The Tick's universe from his own and explicitly references the main series multiple times, and Tech Jacket has referenced Invincible on multiple occasions. Any other crossovers are invalid via Erik Larsen stating all crossovers essentially create a new version of the character and use that for a crossover, meaning its a new version of each character and not canon to the original series. The mobile game will also be considered(it's questionably canon but changes basically nothing so...) along with the official handbook.
We have read the Battle Beast spinoff, but as of now its only has 1 issue and added literally nothing so...
And yes we know Fortnite is canon, we're not using it. No Galactus scaling for you.
For Boros the anime, manga and webcomic will all be considered. As for the current redraws, we will be considering all versions of the chapters that exist as this point in time to make our lives easier. The 2 video games will not be considered, aka the mobile game 'One Punch Man - The Strongest' and 'One-Punch Man: A Hero Nobody Knows'. These games contribute nothing outside of a crazy Tatsumaki feat, and break canon in other ways(the player as an OC being one a new S-Class, the literal dream version of Saitama appearing, multiple versions of characters appearing, etc). If you don't like it or have some statement we missed that canonised it you can just call the Tatsumaki feat an outlier.
Thor will be given the Record of Ragnarok manga and anime, obviously. There are multiple spin-offs that will be considered, namely Apocalypse of the Gods, the Jack the Ripper Case Files, and The Legend of Lü Bu: The Flying General. You might notice Chiruran: Shinsengumi Requiem is missing despite being similar in canonicity to other manga here. Sadly this manga remains almost entirely untranslated for English readers, meaning it is sadly unusable until a proper translation is found. This manga likely wouldn't contribute much anyway due to its grounded plot, but in the future it should be properly analysed. A similar case lies in the recent mobile game 'Day of Judgement', which is very new and only available in Japan and in Japanese. This game seems to be a retelling of the anime storywise, so it also might contradict canon.
And for Kenpachi, you guessed it, both the manga and anime will be considered. The anniversary one-shot is considered canon and thus will also be used. 'Bleach: Memories of Nobody' will be used as it is widely regarded as the only canon Bleach movie. The video games are also considered non-canon and thus will be excluded. The light novels are also considered canon and therefore be included.
We used multiple blogs to help us create this, so shoutout to Mediamania's Battle Beast vs Boros, Bang's Blogs Invincible vs Hot Rod, G^Omega Omni-man vs Bardock and the various wiki pages for all franchises.
And finally, gore and spoiler warning for the blog. These franchises can get very brutal and we discuss major plot points, so proceed with caution.
Background
Battle Beast
“This is no game! This is WHAT I LIVE FOR! This is MY LIFE!”
A man named Thokk was born on a faraway planet known as Dornn. This planet had been ravaged mercilessly by civil war for an untold amount of time. Thokk rose up throughout the endless carnage and single-handedly ended this chaotic war. However, his strength was beyond what even he could expect and control. Fleeing the planet, he searched the galaxy for a worthy foe, and a worthy death.
Eventually, he was hired by the robot crime-lord Machine Head. He traveled to Earth, but even its strongest warriors at the time were mere appetisers. He appeared, gave Invincible the biggest beatdown yet, and searched the cosmos once more.
He fought opponent after opponent, even clashing with the legendary Viltrumites, only for them to fall to him as well. As he killed and killed and killed, he finally found the opponent he’d been waiting for. The newly-exiled Grand Regent, Thragg.
He landed off the planet Thraxa, only to be betrayed by his new mate releasing the Ragnarr to kill Thragg. While they only succeeded in ripping out his intestines, Battle Beast killed them alongside Thragg. In the name of a fair and worthy battle, the beast ripped out his own intestines and begun the battle of his life.
After 3 days of stalemate, the strongest Viltrumite in the universe lived up to his title and ripped out the heart of Battle Beast. Looking up at his opponent, Thokk thanked him for the fight of his life. Although Thokk was dead, the legacy of Battle Beast lived on as the Scourge of the Twin Galaxies.
Boros
“Come, and give stimulation to my existence! That, is why I am here!”
Little is known about the origin of the Dominator of the Universe. But what can be certain is his absolute dominance over everything else he ever knew. Stronger and superior in regeneration to his already exceptional world, Boros was struck with an infallible boredom.
However, Boros gained hope once more. An alien prophesied to him that he would find his dream opponent in a far-off world. Despite his men seeing it as an obvious ploy to get him off the planet, Boros took the chance and set off across the universe for 20 years before finding Earth.
Finally arriving, Boros attacked cities and caused carnage to draw in his worthy foe. Soon arrived the Caped Baldy himself, Saitama. Saitama was bored and told his to quit his monologues. This all changed when Boros survived a single punch. Boros and Saitama fought. Advancing through his forms, Boros was overwhelmed by the immeasurable power of the One Punch Man.
After forcing Saitama to become serious for the first time in years, Boros was well and truly defeated. As Saitama respected his dying opponent, Boros admitted a truth Saitama was all-too familiar. It was a wash, that was never even close to a fight. As he died, Boros knew the prophecy was false all along. But Boros had received a glorious battle, if for nothing else, that it didn’t end in One Punch.
Thor
“Human. No... your name was Lü Bu right? I have one request to make... don't die on me now.”
Asgard was a mighty land, being home to the gods of the Nordic Pantheon. During the great war of the Gigantomachy, their arrogance was shown to be their greatest weakness. An invasion of 66 giants appeared when only 1 had ever appeared at a time.
The forces of Asgard were slaughtered, picked apart one by the giants. As they finally reached the palace, all seemed lost as a crazy god threw the doors open to let them in. That god, was Thor.
Thor effortlessly destroyed the 66 giants, destroying each of them in a single blow. In spite of this incredible feat, Thor felt… bored. No enemy had come even close to being a challenge. He felt depressed and longed for a worthy battle.
Millenia later, Ragnarok came to fruition. To save their race, 13 humans would face 13 gods. And the first god in line was Thor, facing against the Chinese human Lü Bu. Here, Thor got the greatest fight of his life, with the human surviving his greatest attack and even leaving a wound across his chest. Thor won against and killed the human, but was left with an immeasurable well of respect for humanity. He went on to watch the remaining battles and even break up fights outside the arena, rebelling against his father to do so. Thor may have lost the human that let his dream come true, but both will forever be preserved, in the Record of Ragnarok.
Kenpachi Zaraki
“Do you fight in order to become more powerful? Or do you want more power so you can fight?”
Kenpachi Zaraki was born with immeasurable strength in the crime-infested area of District 80. Full of petty thieves and murderers, Zaraki was born there with no name. He took the name of the area, and later took a Zanpakutō from a dead Shinigami.
Wandering around as an unstoppable child attracted the attention of the Soul Society, and eventually attracted the attention of the current Kenpachi, Yachiru Unohana. For the first time in his life, Kenpachi struggled in combat and felt fear for the first time. There was only one problem.
He was stronger.
Too powerful for Unohana and not wanting the battle to end, he subconsciously began to suppress his power. He became weaker and lost the first battle in his life, and the first for a long time to come. Unohana rued making such a powerful soul so weak, but could not atone for a long time to come.
Long after, including meeting his Zanpakuto spirit and adoptive daughter Yachiru, becoming Captain of the 11th division, and losing his first fight since Unohana against Ichigo Kurosaki, the Soul Society faced its greatest threat yet. Seeing this as her chance to atone, Unohana trained Zaraki by defeating him and healing him over and over until he was back up to his original strength and able to kill her. As he reached his ultimate power and finally achieved Bankai, Zaraki faced off against the Sternritter invasion. Despite his opponents powers, Zaraki fought and killed many of them. Despite his past, Zaraki was able to get the fights he truly wanted, and show the world the power of Kenpachi.
Abilities
Battle Beast
Teeth
Battle Beast possesses teeth capable of shredding straight through the skin of even Viltrumites as strong as Thragg(also funny Five Night At Freddy’s reference).
Enhanced senses
Battle Beast has insanely impressive senses far above the human standard, with the guidebook referring to him as being able to
- See 8 times as well as humans
- See in the dark
- Hear sounds at -10 decibels
- Detect differences in sound as low as a tenth of a tone
- Hear at 4-5 times the distance of a human
- Has 14 times the smell as a human
- Detect nearby enemies by the changes in the air
Superhuman stamina
Battle Beast is capable of fighting non-stop for 3 days straight, along with the guidebook stating he has unlimited stamina. He can even survive in the vacuum of space, kill a Viltrumite, be frozen, wait for a ship to arrive, and still be ready to fight the second he unthaws(seen above).
Mobile Game abilities
Credit to the Guarding the Globe wiki.
Default: Claws Out
Battle Beast puts his mace away and starts to attack his target with his claws for the next 2 attacks, with a 100% critical chance. When hitting the enemy, he consumes all the target's wounds, healing 6% of max HP for each wound. Cooldown: 15 seconds.
Elite+: Brothers In Battle
When fighting against Viltrumites, Battle Beast adds a 5% Life Leech to the team.
Exceptional+: Bring The Pain
Battle Beast's basic attacks apply "wounds" for 5 seconds, which deal 100% base damage per seconds and can be stacked up to 3 times.
Epic+: Worthy Opponent
When the target's HP is at 75% or higher, Battle Beast increases his damage by 40% but reduces his defense by 15%.
Boros
Enhanced senses
Was able to sense Saitama coming and know that he was strong. Keep in mind this is likely limited, considering he thought he could kill Saitama, and we all know how that turned out…Regeneration
Was able to heal from just an eye and scattered blood. An important limitation is that it isn’t limited unless he wills it to be(skip to 4:14), meaning unconsciousness or mind control can potentially prevent his healing.
Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon
Aside from having one of the coolest names in fiction, it’s Boros’ ultimate trump card, releasing all his energy at once in one big attack.
Thor
God physiology
In Record of Ragnarok, gods are far more than just powerful beings. Gods are completely immune to man-made weapons(the weapons here are revealed to be divine weapons)(see Before the Verdict) with the sight on one seemingly doing so shocking literally everyone alive and regular mortals being unable to physically harm gods without being amped by a Volundur(once more, see Before the Verdict).
Electricity manipulation
Being the god of thunder, naturally Thor has the ability to generate massive amounts of electricity, even with his bare hands and not his hammer.
Heat manipulation
Thor’s hammer, Mjölnir, is capable of generating heat as hot as lava, aka 700-1200 degrees Celsius or 1,300 to 2,200 degrees Fahrenheit. This also doubles as a heat resistance as Thor is able to wield this.
Teleportation
Thor’s Hammer
Thor’s signature move, where he leans back to gain as much build-up as possible, before slamming the hammer as hard as possible.
Geirröd
For this move, Thor throws his hammer like a boomerang and let's it return to him. He then uses the centrifugal force of the move to hit as hard as possible. Prior to Lu Bü, he had only used this move on the World Serpent itself.
Geirröd Thor’s Hammer
A combination of his other moves, Thor uses the setup of Gerriöd and execution of Thor’s Hammer in order to unleash his ultimate attack.
Kenpachi
Physiology and power system
To start, Souls and Soul Realers are completely invisible to anyone that doesn't possess at least a admittedly small amount of spiritual energy(see Before the Verdicts for how this interacts with his opponents). Souls also fight based on a system of spiritual energy, which affects a souls power and speed. Souls also gain a variety of abilities, such as walking on the energy in the air, sensing others, and directly attacking souls with their mere presence, which is linked to the mind. Souls are even potentially immune to non-spiritual attacks(see Before the Verdict). They can also sense the spiritual energy of others, speak to one another via spiritual energy and change the size of their weapons.
Wait, that's it? He has no other notable abilities? Huh.
Weapons
Battle Beast
Teleporter
A handy teleporter used to travel to and from his ship. Useful if you can't fly or breathe in space.
Jetpack and space mask
A jetpack used to travel in space and breathe without air. Also useful if you can't fly or breathe in space.
Telepathic headpiece
Working with the Coalition should logically entail having access to one of these, which allows one to communicate telepathically in space.
Various weapons
Battle Beast has used a variety of different weapons to fight in his time, such as;
Boros
Restraining suit
A combined 'Yes Boros we see the fit' and a 'Bro thinks he's Frieza' for our favourite aura farmer.
Spaceship
A colossal, city sized goliath that can wipe out cities with bullets.
Thor
Mjölnir
Mjölnir is more than just a hammer, it's a white-hot and alive weapon, and the strongest Divine Weapon, capable of shattering the very Earth itself.
Járngreipr
Thor's legendary gauntlets. The legend states they exist to protect Thor from the heat of the hammer, when it really exist to protect Mjölnir from Thor. It's also called unbreakable and only destroyed by a weapon with shield-destroying hax. The gloves are even heavy enough to cause a huge crater when thrown to the ground.
Kenpachi
Zanpakutō
A Zanpakutō is the signature weapon of any Soul Reaper, used to cleanse souls and send them to the afterlife. The very soul of the user becomes imprinted onto it, and they're closer to living beings than mindless weapons with Kenpachi's own being his daughter and lieutenant Yachiru.
Forms
Battle Beast
None notable.
Boros
Meteoric Burst
In this form, Boros boosts his powers to incredible heights in exchange for losing his lifespan the longer he uses it, meaning he saved it for all-out combat to end a fight quickly.
Thor
Awakened Mjölnir
Not necessarily a 'form', per se, but when awakening Mjölnir becomes white-hot and far more powerful than before, making the strongest Divine Weapon even stronger.
Kenpachi
Shikai
Kenpachi's sword grows massively and gains the ability to become far more powerful, slicing an entire meteor and completely obliterating it.
Bankai
The ultimate technique of any good Soul Reaper, Bankai is a 5-10 times multiplier that makes users far more powerful than ever. For Kenpachi, he can casually bisect enemies far stronger than his Shikai. It does have the weakness of damaging Kenpachi due to being too overwhelmingly powerful for even him.
Resistances
Battle Beast
- Heat: Survived atmospheric re-entry.
- Cold: Survived drifting in space for an unknown period of time, when this part of space could flash freeze others.
Boros
Thor
Kenpachi
- Internal attacks: Has organs as hard as steel. Considering the statement implies Mayuri couldn't crush his organs, they could potentially be much, much stronger.
Stats
Battle Beast
Feats
- Single-handedly liberated his home planet
- Bodied the Guardians Of The Globe
- Defeated Invincible
- Fought Thragg for 3 days straight
- Win rate of 4 or 5 wins(does killing fodder before your fight count?), 2 losses and an inconclusive fight
- Canonically had sex
Attack Potency
- Killed Viltrumites(see above)
Speed
Durability
- Embarrassed by Thragg(see above)(he more than made up for it, don't worry)
- Survived the destruction of Viltrum(many, many different results, see Before the Verdict)
Boros
Feats
- Searched the universe for a worthy opponent
- Gave Saitama his best fight yet
- According to ONE, on par with Monster Garou
- Sadly has a win rate in 0 wins 1 loss, on-screen at least
Attack Potency
- Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon can wipe out the Earth's surface in the manga(11.6 exatons), the planet in the anime(59.44 Zettatons) or even stars in the handbook(136 quettatons)(see Before the Verdict)
- Shook the stars while fighting Saitama(15 Quettatons to 8 PetaFOE)(see Before the Verdict)
Speed
- Barraged Saitama(see above)
Durability
- Survived Saitama's Serious Punch long enough to hold a brief conversation(11.67 petatons, potentially much higher, see Scaling and Before the Verdict)
Thor
Feats
- Won the first round of Ragnarok against Lu Bü
- Only fighter to never go to the hospital after winning
- Win rate of 2 wins 0 losses
Attack Potency
Speed
Durability
- Survived being struck by Lu Bü(seen above)
- This is the only time he's been damaged in the entire series
Kenpachi
Feats
- Almost defeated Yachiru Unohana as a child
- Captain of the 11th Division
- Special War Power for fighting strength
- Win rate of 13 wins, 3 losses and 2 inconclusive battles(only considering Unohana's training as one fight)
- Had Ichigo absolutely terrified
- Successful single father
Strength
Speed
- Blitzed Ichigo(see above)
Durability
Scaling
Battle Beast
Thragg
Being the one to fight him for several days and having a fight close enough to make Thragg collapse after victory, Battle Beast should naturally scale to the one who gave him his dream fight.
- With 36 other Viltrumites, some severely weakened, could’ve torn Earth in half(32.822 Exatons, likely far higher considering some were weakened and he far surpasses most other Viltrumites)
Invincible
Considering his battle with Thragg and how badly Thragg has defeated Mark with Marks winning battle have Thragg hold back at least initially shows Battle Beast should be more than capable of matching the protagonist.
- Caught a huge meteor early in the series(51 Teratons, see the link)
- Pushed a moon into Mars(81 to 178 Exatons or 2.15 Yottatons to 105 Yottatons to 4 Ronnatons)(see Before the Verdict)
- Infamously destroyed Viltrum(Many, many different ends, see Before the Verdict)
- Traveled to an unknown planet beyond the Coalition(263 billion c to 1.315 billion c, Invalid, see Before the Verdict)
- Outflew a Talescrian ship(130.45 million c)
- Note that the other results in this link are unusable. They involve calc stacking Mark and his speed next to the ship.
Omni-man
- Flew to Thraxa in a week while on a soul-searching journey(32.7 billion c in the show to 3.34 billion c in the comics)
- Helped destroy Viltrum(Many, many different ends, see Before the Verdict)
Various Invincible characters
Chain scaling off of Invincible fighting basically everyone in the series and Battle Beast fighting Viltrumites scales him above even the weakest Viltrumites being stronger than nearly everyone on Earth and there being a very small list of things capable of killing Viltrumites shows Battle Beast should be at the absolute peak of the verse.
- Omnipotus feeds on the energy of things he destroys(see Before the Verdict for both this and the next few points)
- Omnipotus has destroyed solar systems(1787 FOE) and even his home universe(90 ExaFOE)
- One of the Coalition’s ships could destroy everyone’s favourite Sun Disk(22.2 Ronnatons to 8,641 Quettatons)(see Before the Verdict)
Tech Jacket characters
Tech Jacket himself is a character that appears in Invincible and opens up scaling to his own spinoff. He could fight alternate Invincibles evenly and fight Viltrumites. He ultimately states that he is far weaker than both Mark and Nolan, so he and the characters he scales to should be fair game for Battle Beast.
- Null one-shot Planet Eater, who eats planets(23.9 Zettatons to 128.3 Quettatons, see Before the Verdict)
- The Colossal is the size of a galaxy(2.5 FOE, see Before the Verdict)
- The Colossal is powered by our Sun and potentially more(calc and legitimacy in Before the Verdict)
- The Immune System has wiped out planets and/or galaxies(59.44 Zettatons to 4153 FOE and 8.7 Quadrillion c, see Before the Verdict)
Spawn and Supreme
Nah we're just messing with you
Boros
Casual Saitama(see Before the Verdicts)
Saitama may have absolutely destroyed Boros, but he survived his casual punch, and famously pushed him to go Serious. While he obviously doesn't scale to his full power he should be able to match his weaker attacks. More scaling on what Boros can and cannot match will be discussed Before the Verdict.
- Could intercept Empty Void’s slash, which ignores distance and comes from a higher dimension(Universal+ and immeasurable-irrelevant speed, see Before the Verdicts)
Various Heroes and Villains
- Flashy Flash is faster than light(FTL, who would’ve guessed)
Garou, Blast, Empty Void and Serious Saitama
While this scaling might seem ridiculous at first, Saitama had severely different reactions to Boros and Void or Garou, at least initially. Void had his killer move caught even when Saitama was off-guard and was promptly one-shot, and Garou’s Gamma Ray Burst being shrugged off and having its name forgotten. More discussion will be found Before the Verdict.
- Empty Void can attack from a higher dimension(Universal+, see Before the Verdict)
- Garou and Saitama create the Serious Punch Squared(112.8 ExaFOE)
- Blast being near it would generate huge amounts of energy(756.7 PetaFOE)
Thor
Lu Bü
Considering they could fight and Thor killed him even though Volundur Lu Bü is far stronger than alive Lu Bü and Volundur physically amps humans, so Thor can match Volundur Lu Bü and drastically upscale alive Lu Bü.
Other Gods(Debatable, see Before the Verdict)
Thor is called the strongest of the Norse Gods and has the strongest Divine Weapon. There are tons of arguments for and against each round of fighters, and these will be discussed Before the Verdict.
- Adam could dodge the Fist That Surpassed Time, which takes place in 0.00000000000000000001 seconds or potentially a time stop(333 Billion c to Inaccessible, see Before the Verdict)
- Zeus attacks in 0.00000001 seconds and Adam dodges(1.24 c for Zeus's kick and 1.72 c for Adam dodging)
- Kojiro scanned all of creation(11.4 Quinvigintillion c, see Before the Verdict)
- Zeus witnessed the Big Bang(see Before the Verdict)
- Zeus threatened Heaven(Planetary to Universal, see Before the Verdict)
- Shiva creates and destroys worlds for fun(Planetary to Universal, see Before the Verdict)
- Shiva will destroy and recreate the world(Planetary to Universal, see Before the Verdict)
- Hajun destroys half of Helheim(Planetary to Universal, see Before the Verdict)
- Beelzebub threatens the Heavens(Planetary to Universal, see Before the Verdict)
- Odin is a Primordial God, one of the 88 gods who created the universe. Odin is one of the 4 Pillars who fought alongside 7 unknown gods against the other 77 gods with the 4 Pillars being far more powerful. Current Odin has the power of all 4 Pillars(Multi-galaxy to Universal, see Before the Verdict)
- Apollo has an attack that launches light(Speed of light, see Before the Verdict)
- This attack is referred to as being actual sunlight
- It's referred to as moving at lightspeed
- It's called the 'fastest hit in the Divine Realm'
Kenpachi
Ichigo
The Number One protagonist of Bleach himself, Ichigo has fought Kenpachi and they've stayed at similar levels of power throughout the series, with them being rivals in power and both scaling to Yhwach(examples will be provided later).
- Stopped the Sokyoku, which has the power of a million Zanpakutō and threatened the Soul Society(Universal)
- Became a higher dimensional being to a higher dimensional being(5D, see Before the Verdict)
Yhwach
As mentioned before, Kenpachi is a rival to both Yhwach and Ichigo with Ichigo taking hits from Yhwach, and Gerard, who's as powerful as Yhwach, fighting Kenpachi offscreen even when stronger than when the statement was made and bisecting him slightly before, hammering in Kenpachi matching the top tiers of the verse.
- Was destroying the realms with his raw power(Low Multiversal)
- Supports the universe with his power, which the Soul King also did(Universal)
- Yhwach killed the Soul King
- Kenpachi also matched Gerard, who is the heart of the Soul King, and Gremmy, who is implied to be the brain of the Soul King, making this consistent.
Gremmy
Considering Kenpachi was the one to kill Gremmy with only his Shikai, and even cut the meteor that he used his full power on, Kenpachi should well surpass anything Gremmy has done.
- Summons a meteor(4 Exatons)
- The high-end of this calc is invalid as it relies on the baseless assumption of the meteor generating an earthquake and assuming the earthquake would destroy the Soul Society, which is entirely baseless.
- Creates space(Universal)
- Kanji refers to it as ‘outer space’ and ‘the universe’
- Novelisation not only states he created it but refers to it as outer space, implying it’s the full universe, twice
- Kenpachi also cut this space(Universal)
Before the Verdict
Battle Beast
Invincible and the Tick move a moon
You might remember from the scaling section that Mark and the Tick pushing the moon got 5 different ends, namely 81 to 178 Exatons or 2.15 Yottatons to 105 Yottatons to 4 Ronnatons.
The reason these calcs vary so wildly due to different views on the size of the moon being pushed.
The original scan shows the moon compared to Mars, and if you measure it based on that the moon ends up being far larger than either Phobos or Deimos in real life. The first calc uses Phobos and Deimos based on their real life sizes, the second uses a composite of the density of both and its size next to Mars, and the third calc relies on IRL density and fictional sizes.
As for which end is most likely, whilst the viewer can come up with their own interpretation for the sake of the blog we've decided the first calc is the most realistic end to use.
Whilst the moon is demonstratively bigger when compared to Mars, that's a choice that could just as likely be interpreted as Mars being smaller, as both times you assume the size of a celestial body. Additionally, the size of the moon varies significantly, which the middle calc using an entirely different panel for an entirely different size.
And the best and most likely point, it's just how the art works. If artists attempted to draw everything to a real-life scale it'd be difficult and time-consuming, which the narrative intention being the same either way.
As for which end is more likely from the first calc, the image doesn't particularly match any real-life images of the real moons of Mars. Which looks more similar is entirely subjective. If you prefer to keep it safe assume the low-end and if you prefer high-ends than use the high-end, same as any other calc in this blog.
TLDR: The most likely end is the first calc due to more likely matching the original intention of the artist, 81 to 178 Exatons.
Mark flying outside the Coalition
In the scaling we discussed a somewhat notorious feat that's been circling around the Invincible community, Mark flying to other galaxies at 263 billion c to 1.315 billion c, with other calcs reaching the trillions. This feat was marked as invalid due to a variety of reasons.
For one, this calc is full of flawed assumptions, with the most glaring being the timeframe. For the sole reason of 'it takes place in a single page', the calc assumed a timeframe of 5 minutes at worst. This is a huge assumption that could be the author simply not wanting to depict a full time-lapse.
Another glaring issue is the question of if this feat is an outlier. Given he's needed a ship before to travel distances like this and still taken a week, assuming he can casually fly this in 5 minutes at worst is a ludicrous assumption. This is over 8 times faster than his next best feat(barring Immune System scaling, which will come later) even if you only use the low end.
The final issue with this feat is the assumption of distance. It says the planet Mark went to is outside of the Coalition’s galaxy, and it's assumed the planet is 2 galaxies away from him. The problem is, Mark went back to the Coalition, so he traveled a galaxy at most.
TLDR: This feat uses an assumed timeframe and distance that leads to a huge outlier feat.
Viltrum destruction feat
Hoooooooo boy.
This is an extremely notorious feat that's been put at a huge amount of various ends. There's absurdly high calcs at over 7 FOE, 300 FOE, 911 Ronnatons, and absurdly low as 1.3 Petatons or 567 Exatons. So what gives?
To solve this issue, I decided to tackle the calc myself while making as little assumptions as possible and reached 2.253 Ronnatons for the destruction of the planet, making the individual effort 750.1 Yottatons. To justify this as thoroughly as possible, I'll be walking you through the whole process of the calc.
To start, size of the planet. Viltrum has been calced to be significantly larger than Earth due to its smallest moons being perfectly spherical, which in real physics would require a diameter of at least 300km. However we decided to use the real size of the Earth. For one, with similar rationale as the Tick's moon feat this can easily be simply determined as an artistic choice. One thing consciously decided and added to the lore is the handbook highlighting a similar makeup in almost everything except gravity to Earth, including atmospheric makeup and habitat. Add on humans potentially having a common ancestor with Viltrum and you have 2 extremely similar planets to facilitate said environments.
Next is the weight of the debris launched put of the planet, which was previously calculated at 9.0943301e+22kg. However this doesn't take into account Viltrum having 1.25 times our gravity, which makes the real weight 1.1367913e+23kg.
Next is the distance and timeframe of the debris launched. We can calculate via pixel scaling that the rings size is 1.50442477876 times the diameter of the planet. Assuming the size of Earth like we did earlier, this makes the ring 3217.22123894km away from Earth.
Now for the biggest assumption of the calc, timeframe. We decided to use 0.25 seconds, which is notably low. This is based on superhuman perception speeds, which is the go-to for calcs blitzing superhuman in timeframe to avoid calc stacking. The explosion reached the fighters before any of them could react, making it a reasonable debris speed assumption.
Using these assumptions, the speed of the debris is 0.04292597966490539069 times the speed of light. Plug in both values to a relavistic kinetic energy calculator, and you reach the 2.25 Ronnaton value. Divide by 3 and you get 750 Yottatons.
Given the amount of calcs and variation this fest had, other interpretations are certainly allowed. If you disagree with any of the few assumptions we made, feel free to come up with your own interpretation. However, this blog will utilise the 750 Yottaton value for the sake of making as little assumptions as possible.
As for whether or not this is an outlier, the creator of Invincible said he purposefully stepped up the scale of the series and used this feat to show off the power of the cast, so it matches the narrative intention of the author and should be usable.
The Sun Disk
From one controversial feat to another, we're taking a look at the infamous Sun Disk that gave Omni-man the win against Bardock.
To start off, many discredit the idea of using L1 points and instead calculate the size of the Disk based off of umbra sizes, aka the size it would need to cast a shadow on the planet in question. The problem with this methodology is that the Disk needs to move alongside the planet in order to actually stay within the effective range of the planet, leaving L1 points as the only reliable method. That being said, the 8,641 Quettaton end is not valid.
Calculating the L1 point that the Sun Disk would have to rest in relies entirely upon the gravity of the planet, when the planet in question has such incredibly strong gravity its populace is as strong as Viltrumites. This means that neither calc is valid due to the planet having higher gravity than either.
Earth is an obvious no, as the human obvious aren't as strong as Viltrumites. You might then say that it would have the same gravity as Viltrum as they ended up that strong, but Viltrumites canonically are so powerful because of Smart Atoms, meaning gravity isn't a factor and the Ragnarr planets gravity is even stronger.
There's so the fact that the planet is also implied to have a stronger gravity than Viltrum by Viltrumites struggling to move on it, meaning neither value is valid.
TLDR both calcs assume the wrong gravity for the Ragnarr planet, meaning the L1 points and therefore size is wrong.
Omnipotus
Ah yes, everyone's favourite star level Invincible upgrade, E=MC^2.
So if you don't know, Omnipotus is a character that consumed the energy off of the things he destroys to empower himself. This seems solid at first, considering it calls him an ‘energy eater’ and refers to the absorption of energy, supporting the idea of him turning mass to energy.
The problem is that these statements are taken out of context. It’s explicitly stated that:
‘He appears to channel the cosmic energy of the matter he destroys and converts that energy into a usable source of power…’
This shows the actual energy that is absorbed by Omnipotus isn’t what he uses to its full power. He doesn't absorb pure energy, he converts it into something else.
TLDR Omnipotus doesn't actually absorb pure energy and converts it to an unknown source.
Tech Jacket feats
God there's so much misinformation💔
So in the scaling section we mentioned the Tech Jacket spinoff, which is a series about Zachary Thompson and how he became Tech Jacket along with some of his adventures. In this we gain 4 crazy feats that get far above everything else in the series.
- Null one-shot Planet Eater, who eats planets(23.9 Zettatons to 128.3 Quettatons, see Before the Verdict)
- The Colossal is the size of a galaxy(2.5 FOE, see Before the Verdict)
- The Colossal is powered by our Sun and potentially more(calc and legitimacy in Before the Verdict)
- The Immune System has wiped out planets and/or galaxies(59.44 Zettatons to 4153 FOE and 8.7 Quadrillion c, see Before the Verdict)
Let's go through these feats one by one.
Null one-shots Planet Eater
So this feat involves an entity that briefly appears in order to hype up a major antagonist known as Null. A being that claims to be about to eat a random planet and use its energy to ascend to godhood appears only to be one-shot by Null.
To justify this calc we need 3 things.
1. Does Battle Beast scale?
He should. Nulls 'fight' against the Planet Eater ends in a single attack, which was performed extremely casually. Whilst Tech Jacket is far inferior to Null, he could survive far more than 1, casual hit. Namely:
- An entire town being dropped on him
- Being tackled and ripped apart
- A huge, direct beating
- More beatings and crushing his hand
Tech Jacket even survived a seperate encounter against a bloodlusted Null ready to kill him, and survived.
Tech Jacket also 100% is weaker than Battle Beast, considering Anissa could take off 10% of his armours durability in one blow, General Kregg could take a headshot from him easily, and other Viltrumites shrugged off almost everything he had. Heck, he himself tells Omni-man and Invincible how much weaker he is than them. Considering Battle Beast matching or surpassing basically everyone through scaling to Thragg, Battle Beast would far and away upscale the Planet Eater.
2. Has he eaten planets before?
So the dialogue of the Planet Eater is something people argue over and whether it suggests he's actually eaten planets. His dialogue is:
From the heart of creation, I've come to realize my eternal charge.
Wresting the universe free from weaker planets, consuming them -- empowering me.
Your genocide shall be my evolution!
In your death, I shall ascend to godhood!
All shall tremble before my endless power!
So this sets the idea of 2 things
- The destruction of this planet will lead to his ascension
- He's realised he has to absorb planets(note the plural) to ascend
So this is pretty clear. If he needs multiple to ascend and this leads to his ascension, then he has to have absorbed planet/s in the past.
3. Where does this scale?
So many people argue that this is similar to the Scavinge, which turns matter into energy to power itself. This method is extremely flawed as literally nothing throughout the entire series suggest that. They don't even look similar, so this is moot.
Overall, the high end of this feat is definitely not valid. It assumes mass energy conversion based on literally nothing, and should ultimately scale to only baseline planet level considering he was about to, y'know, destroy the planet.
The size of the Colossal
So the Colossal is stated a few times to be the size of a galaxy. The problem is that this is very inconsistent with the actual size of the Colossal.
Null and Tech Jacket are shown to not be insignificant compared to the Colossal, with Zach getting a similar angle right after. Heck, one of the final panels of Tech Jacket shows the Colossal not being that big compared to an unknown city.
Heck, the entire fight takes place in our solar system, which is obviously impossible for something this big.
So why do these statements exist?
The most likely explanation is that the Colossal isn’t just one being, but a whole makeup of ships. The Colossal being 'galaxy-sized' is probably a reference to being placed all across the galaxy.
The Colossal being powered by the sun
So the Colossal in the series arms itself by weaponising the power of the sun, but arguments have been raised for it weaponising every star in the galaxy.
The only statements that all of the galaxy is being used comes from Zach himself, who didn’t know anything at the time. While he does get agreed with, but that's directly after she refers to it as only the Sun. Also, 'turning the galaxy into a gun' could also refer to combining all the galaxy-spanning ships in the Colossal, so this is a weak argument based on a single statement of someone who didn't know anything at the time. Or even more likely, the galaxy of controlled soldiers being used by the Colossal.
Overall, the statements are these:
- Armed by the Sun
- The Sun is the weapon armed by Lin
- Using the Solar System
- Again, using the Solar System
- Weaponising the Sun
- This is treated as a vital and new moment, which wouldn't make sense if it was the last of literal billions of stars
- Auxiliary weapons powered by the Sun
- You might argue this means these are only extra weapons, but that would be referring to Xi using her arms to control the Colossal.
So the Colossal is clearly only powered by the Sun. How much energy would it gain?
The Sun releases 3.86 x 10^26 joules every second. Considering they fired shortly after weaponising the Sun, we'll be generous and assume a full hour. This would be 1.3896 x 10^30 joules, or 139 Exatons.
The Immune System destroying galaxies
Finally, we reach the big one, the Immune System of the universe wiping out entire galaxies. In Invincible vs Hot Rod, this was calculated to be over 4,000 FOE, but this calc and scaling is sadly invalid.
The Immune System is referred to and shown to be something that destroys planets, not the galaxy itself. Lin outright says 'Planets have died, galaxies have fallen', implying that wiping out the planets is jet to the fall of the galaxies. Zach also mainly refers to it as 'countless planets falling', once again emphasising the destruction of the planets and not the galaxies.
Wiping out planets is also the most consistent with the goal of the Immune System, which is wiping out life. Destroying the stars and black holes of the galaxy would be completely unnecessary to this goal, making it unlikely it did so.
But what about the speed calc? It still needs to travel across the galaxy, right?
Similar to the Colossal, the Immune System isn't one being. During the end of the story, a second strain of the Immune System appears on another planet beyond Earth despite them defeating it at the end if the series.
Heck, the entire reason the Colossal and Stanley are still active is in order to fight off the remaining strains because of how many there are. Different groups could go and take out different planets, so making the entire distance on its own like the calc suggests is very unnecessary.
Would Battle Beast even scale to this?
Even if you disagree with all the arguments presented, to be frank, whilst he can definitely reach the level of Null or the Planet Eater, the Colossal and Immune System are well beyond his reach.
The reasoning behind Zach scaling is tanking attacks from the core of the Colossal while it was afraid for its life. This seems somewhat valid at first, but the argument has holes in it.
1. This may not be its full output.
A very short point, but its arguable that this wouldn't be the full power of the Collossal. Whilst it's definitely scared for its life, this is a very small fraction of a massive kaiju. It's hard to argue this would be the full output of it.
2. It's an outlier.
The Immune System and the Colossal both have feats suggesting that they'd be far, far above Tech Jacket.
For one, Null has been both restrained by a single tendril and casually one-shot by them, and considering he obliterated Tech Jacket when bloodlusted and no-diffed while he was holding back, it paints a pretty clear picture of them being above Zach.
Tech Jacket himself has his own example, with a single Colossal ship pulling him in and being charged to 1000% in everything and even infinity%, so even a single, basic ship is far beyond Tech Jacket. Even if you exclude the infinity% statement, that still makes him 10 times weaker than even a single ship of many.
The Colossal and Immune System being far above Tech Jacket is also just narratively logical, as if Zach and everyone on his level could solo this huge, galactic threat, there'd be no point in needing the Colossal, especially when they had absolutely no backup plan or other options at all.
TLDR most scaling for the Tech Jacket spinoff us fraudulent, and none if the feat there get past planetary even if you think Battle Beast scales.
Boros
Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon
Boros has the infamous feat of the Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon, an attack with 3 different ends depending on whether you use the manga, anime or guidebook.
To start with the star level argument, this text notably uses the hoshi, which can mean either star, planet, or heavenly body. Its not a mistranslation, as hoshi is also used to name the Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon, showing in this context it indeed means star.
However, the real question is the reliability of this guidebook. Whilst there isn't really anything against it... there's not much really too much for it.
ONE and a few other anime officials do get interviewed later on, but there's no evidence they had any other involvement in the making of the guidebook.
Overall, the star level interpretations of this feat are going to be left up to the reader. If you don't buy it, that's fine. But for the sake of this blog, it will not be used. Guidebooks are inherently questionable for scaling and lore, and combined with misinformation and different writers its too sketchy for us to buy.
As for the planet level interpretations, these should be fine. It's an official translation, so no problems there. It's consistent with small planet feats Boros would easily upscale as well. Being a new continuity, there's nothing against it and it should be valid.
Guidebook scaling 2: Electric Boogaloo
As mentioned earlier, Boros has a statement in a guidebook of shaking the stars. This one is thankfully much easier to look at.
While we couldn't fund the original source, this is a pretty clear metaphor for how the B
battle affected the universe because Boros was someone who travelled it for so long and became so famous. The battle is pretty clear just referencing how Boros finally meeting his match is an incredible event.
Speaking of which, the high-end of the calc probably isn't valid either. It uses earthquake scaling to assume the AOE, when assuming its a shockwave like the first calc does is much more solid.
What does Boros actually scale to?
So various arguments have been raised for boros based on who and what he should scale to throughout the series. This can get some pretty serious upgrades, like going from planet-star and FTL to universal+ and immeasurable-irrelevant. So where should he scale, and are the feats he scales to even valid?
Points for scaling
So Boros being relatively close to Saitama is pretty clear compared to everyone else. He survived his casual punch in base and made him get somewhat serious. Guidebooks have said he was on par with casual Saitama and claim Saitama was somewhat clobbered. And, of course, Boros infamously damaged Saitama.
Whilst this doesn't initially mean he can match the serious fights against Garou(more on that later) he should upscale Void being easily humiliated and one-shot by casual Saitama. Saitama wasn't on-guard and gave this basically no reaction at all, so Boros clearly faired much better than Void and should therefore scale to him.
Saitama also treated the Gamma Ray Burst pretty casually, despite being damaged and resorting much further against Boros.
You can't argue he got stronger either, because its explicitly stated his power doesn’t grow.
Even if you wanna argue he did get stronger, he broke every Hero Association record in physical strength long before fighting Boros, which would necessitate braking the records set by Blast himself.
So Boros should scale to these feats:
- Pulling Void from a higher dimension
- Surviving the Gamma Ray Burst
- Blast surviving the Serious Punch Squared
And downscale from the Serious Punch Squared itself, along with the Jupiter sneeze.
Points against scaling
So while its true Boros was capable of somewhat keeping up with Saitama, claiming they were matched in any way in completely inaccurate. Saitama could spam his attacks casually and completely blitz Boros, showing he could both blitz and one-shot Boros at any time. The only reason Boros survived was regeneration.
While Boros may have forced Saitama to use his Serious Punch, Saitama was actively lying to Boros about how close the fight was. He respected Boros because of their similar journeys. When he fought Monster Garou, a character confirmed to be on par with Boros, he casually shrugged off his attacks and slapped him away casually.
Whilst he did visually damage Saitama, Cosmic Garou did the same and even seemingly gave him a nosebleed as Saitama is swiping away from his nose, compared to Boros causing light scratches.
Whilst the guidebooks lean towards the idea of them being rivals, we've already mentioned how questionable guidebooks can be earlier and the statements conflict heavily with what we're actually shown.
Whilst he seemingly took the Gamma Ray Burst pretty unseriously, Saitama has a notoriously bad memory, so forgetting Garou’s move is a pretty consistent Saitama move.
Getting stronger isn't out of the question either. The statement used to disprove this just says that his power growth goes unnoticed. If anything, this proves that it does happen, just not on the exponential scale it did here. He even one-shot the previous day version of himself, although the simulation is questionable.
Overall Boros shouldn't scale to any of the feats up against Empty Void and Cosmic Fear Garou.
Are these feats even legit?
Most of them are, but the 2 Boros has the best chance of scaling to are ironically the least valid.
Saitama catching Empty Void’s slash
So in One Punch Man chapter 209, Empty Void travels outside of the universe to a higher dimension and uses an attack that ignores distance. Saitama intercepts this extremely casually and one-shots him by pulling him back to Earth, so this would mean Saitama is universal+ with immeasurable speed, right?
No. While Void entered this higher dimension, he doesn't do anything to actually affect it or become fourth dimensional himself. Some people use this panel to argue that he folded universes there, but the wording clearly implies they're naturally folded. Blast's statement even says that it comes from a higher dimension and nothing else.
As for ignoring distance, that just blatantly doesn't happen. The blade clearly hits the ground, Blast, Flashy Flash and Sonic reacting to it, before it moves to Saitama. The blade clearly travels distance. Even if the attack normally ignores distance, it clearly doesn't in this case where Saitama catches it.
Blast survives the Serious Punch Squared
This one is really simple. The calc assumes that the energy traveled omnidirectionally and Blast survived being near it, but the attack doesn’t even connect until after they get portaled away, meaning Blast didn't need to survive any of the attack.
Overall, what Boros should and shouldn't scale to is very subjective, but the absolute max he could reach is in the ExaFOE ranges if you buy downscaling from full power Garou and Saitama.
Thor
Sub-FTL Record of Ragnarok?
So during Round 9 of Ragnarok, Apollo faces off against Leonidas and notably uses arrows that are made of light, said to be as fast as light, and is stated to be the fastest attack in the Divine Realm. This feat implies everyone in the verse is slower than light, with it even perception blitzing Leonidas, Heimdall, random crowd members and Leo's Valkyrie. The only one shown to percieve this is Apollo himself, and even he couldn't react to it. So is that it? The entire verse isn't even lightspeed?
Well as important as this technique is for the fight, it's not very consistent. There are 4 fighters that have been shown to have feats that surpass this on an incredible level, namely Adam, Zeus, Kojiro and Poseidon. It's not like they only have 1 feat of this calibre either, with Zeus throwing out The Fist That Surpassed Time constantly during his fight with Adam and Poseidon pulling off multiple attacks similar to his MFTL feat.
Who does Thor scale to?
Thor should probably scale to all the other fighters in raw power fairly unquestionably. His Divine Weapon being the strongest should automatically put him above all the weapon users, and be called the strongest god. This is consistent with Lu Bü having multiple statement of being the strongest human, so all raw power feats should be fair game.
As for speed, this is the questionable part. All the characters with relevant speed feats are:
- Zeus(1.24 c kick and The Fist That Surpassed Time)
- Adam(Dodged the Fist That Surpassed Time)
- Poseidon(created afterimages at over 2200 c)
- Kojiro(scanned creation)
- Apollo(has sunlight arrows)
Of course, we also have to consider the other fighters that would scale to these feats. For example, Buddha created an afterimage that fooled Zeus and Kojiro or Okita being faster than any god. So with that being said, can Thor actually scale to any of this?
Arguments for
To start, Lu Bü can potentially scale to the top tier humans in travel speed. During his race with the Red Hare in the spin-off, he was called the peak of humanity. This was said in the context of a race, and the next sentence mentioned strength, implying that 'peak' wasn't just referring to strength. However this in travel speed, so would it actually affect any scaling?
This should scale him to Adam directly taking multiple steps during the Fist That Surpassed Time, which is 333 Billion c to Inaccessible(the validity and scaling or this deat will be discussed later) and Kojiro moving forward in tandem with 40 Day Flood. This wouldn't scale him to Kojiro scanning creation as that's purely perception and reaction speed.
Arguments against
There's nothing that really suggests Lu Bü or Thor are that fast. The statement of him being at the peak of his species is clearly just power. Heck, the same feat has him lose a race to a horse that takes a day to run 500 kilometres.
Being faster than The Fist That Surpassed Time or Poseidon is just frankly dumb, considering Heimdall could track their movements, albeit barely. Outspeeding attacks that cause afterimages or straight up stop time is extremely narratively inconsistent.
Adam dodges the Fist That Surpassed Time
So whilst Adam infamously dodged the Fist That Surpassed Time. But is this based on hax, or speed?
Adam has the ability of Eyes of the Lord, which let him replicate any godly technique he sees. Considering he relies on it to the point of going from relying on them for every attack to getting instantly tagged without them and getting hit to hold Zeus in order to land attacks. So why would Adam scale to this?
For starters, Hermes theorises that Adam dodging is seperate to him copying, implying he did the dodge himself. Adamas Zeus also tagged Adam despite Eyes of the Lord, while eyeless Adam could still throw punches in tandem with Adam. While he couldn't dodge, his eyes were bleeding out. It's reasonable to assume that was the cause of him being unable to dodge.
Eyes of the Lord also doesn't affect Adams stats, or else Adam would be hitting with much more than his own attack considering how much physically weaker he is than Adamas. He also wouldn't be able to one-shot the Serpent with its own power, showing Adam should be just as fast as when he's using the Eyes of the Lord. It's more likely Eyes of the Lord let's Adam instantly see an attack and use the same technique, meaning he dodged the Fist That Surpassed Time on his own.
So with that out of the way, is it a timestop or 0.000000000000000000001 seconds?
It's probably a timestop. The manga clearly shows the colours becoming inverted and everything stopping. It's even more clear in the anime where you can straight up see hair stop moving and birds stop flying. While it does shown a countdown of zeroes, the 1 is never actually shown. It's far more likely to just be a sign of the timeframe decreasing until it actually reaches zero.
So overall Adam did dodge the attack with his own speed and moved in a timestop, meaning Adam and by extension Thor if you buy scaling should have inaccessible speed.
Does Thor scale to the Primordials(and where do they scale)?
So later on in the manga it's revealed that Odin is actually a Primordial God, one of the 88 gods who created the universe. Odin is one of the 4 Pillars who fought alongside 7 unknown gods against the other 77 gods with the 4 Pillars being far more powerful. Current Odin has the power of all 4 Pillars, meaning he should downscale to a non-insignificant chunk of the creation of the universe.
To start off, whether or not Thor can scale. While Odin being a Primordial is a secret in-universe, Thor still made Odin back off, and there are several author statements implying Thor is above Odin, like his introduction box calling him the strongest Nordic God and a chapter title calling Thor the strongest God. He also scales above Beelzebub, who is some sort of reincarnation of Satan, making it consistent.
As for whether the feat is legit, it's complicated. While it was a shared feat among the 88 Primordials, Odin having the power of the whole Yggdrasil, who are undefeatable to the other Primordials, meaning they should constitute as at least half that power. The problem is the timeframe.
Whilst we don't know the direct tineframe, Zeus has referenced the Big Bang before. There were other gods during the time of the Primordials so Zeus well could've seen it. Given the Big Bang was instant, this would imply that the universe creation feat was in fact instant and timeframe isn't an issue.
To conclude the Primordials created the entire universe, likely through the Big Bang, and Thor does scale to this.
Realm feats
So there's a handful of feats from both Thor and other fighters to argue either planetary or universal Record of Ragnarok, depending on if you think the realms are planets or universes. The feats are:
So let's first address where these feats would scale. While people argue the realms are universes, they're most likely planets. Midgard is mentioned alongside visuals of a planet, implying the realms are singular planets among the universe. This wouldn't affect the Primordials feats mentioned earlier because that specifically mentions the universe as a whole.
As for the feats themselves, they're pretty contentious in powerscaling circles. Let's go through them one by one.
Zeus threatening Heaven
This one is a pretty clear-cut feat that gets used commonly, and for good reason. While people argue that it didn’t end up doing so, Shiva's statement implies its something Zeus can stop with enough self control. It's like arguing Goku and Beerus threatening the universe isn't valid because the universe wasn't destroyed. So yeah, this feat is valid.
Shiva creating and destroying worlds
Whilst Heimdall is usually a hype man, there's no reason for him to outright lie about something objective. There's nothing suggesting Shiva doesn't do this in his spare time, so this feat is(more questionably) valid.
Shiva destroying and recreating the world
This feat comes from a legend, making it somewhat questionable. While legends have been wrong before, it's mostly minor things. There's also the argument that Shiva entered this form without destroying the world, but he was shown to leave that form later. It's entirely possible that that legend will still happen one day. This is also the only feat here with a chance of being actually universal based on the using of 'world' instead of a specific term. But with the 2 issues on an already shaky feat, it's probably not valid.
Hajun destroying Helheim
This one is simple. The destruction of Helheim is more referring to wrecking and wiping out cities, so this feat isn't valid.
Beelzebub threatening Heaven
This feat also comes from a legend, but the narrator backs it up. This feat is valid.
Overall
These feats are planetary with the exception of Hajun, and Shiva can VERY questionably reach universal.
Zeus tanks the Big Bang
This is a pretty common but pretty easy feat. Big Bang feats aren't accepted as universal because it isn't physical. Even then, there's no evidence Zeus was even close to the epicentre, which is necessary to reach the full power output.
Can anyone kill or damage Thor?
So early on in the series we get a statement that it is impossible for a god to defeat a human. Later on they go into more depth and demonstrate how Gods are completely immune to man-made weapons, with one seemingly doing so shocking literally everyone alive. Regular mortals being unable to physically harm gods without being amped by a Volundur.
Those are the examples of Volundur not harming others, but there are some to the contrary.
1. Adam killing the Serpent
So early in the series Adam kills the Serpent in one-on-one combat. Arguably this doesn't break the rules of the gods invulnerability because Adam can copy and use the techniques of gods. It's unclear on how Eyes of the Lord affects this, so we'll take a look at other examples.
2. Qin Shi Huang vs Chi Yuo
Early into round 7, Qin Shi Huang gets a mimi-backstory where he kills Chi You, who is stated multiple times to be a god. Some credit Qin Shi Huang's technique being reflecting the opponents force, but he's shown to physically attack Chi You, although there's no visible effect. We don't see most of the fight, so it's up in the air.
3. Raiden harming Shiva
While it's shown that Raiden used Volundur for most of the fight, Raiden harms Shiva and draws blood before his Volundur is activated. While he was wearing his Volundur, he explicitly had not activated it yet. Raiden outright hurt Shiva with no Volundur.
So what's what? What's the reason behind the inconsistency?
Well, the easiest solution is that you need to be a certain strength to be able to harm gods. Adam, Qin and Raiden are some of the strongest living humans in the series, so it makes sense. Whilst this is all theoretical, due to the dubious nature of the immortality, we'll be assuming all other fighters can harm and potentially kill Thor.
Kenpachi
Can anyone see/harm Kenpachi?
So souls are referred to as invisible and invulnerable. This is defied by the strongest character in Bleach, Don Kanonji. Despite being a human, he can harm Hollows. As for seeing Hollows, anyone with a small amount of spiritual energy can see spirits. There's no real way to figure out who can and can't. For the sake of fairness and Devils Advocate, we'll assume that all fighters can see Kenpachi(also we did the same for Thor).
Soul Society scaling?
So there is a feat that revolves around damaging or threatening the Soul Society. Namely, Ichigo stopping the Sokyoku. This feat is presented as a legitimate threat, so the statement should be valid.
The answer to whether this is just the society or the whole realm is easy. The statement outright says both the society and the realm will be destroyed.
Transcendent scaling?
Kenpachi has a couple of arguments for scaling to Ichigo and Aizen after they had become higher dimensional beings. There are decent arguments both for and against this scaling.
Points for scaling
While Aizen got sealed away, he's noted as potentially getting stronger in Muken, with other translations indirectly referring to Dangai Ichigo. Aizen himself supports this later on.
This level of power is consistent with others as its the power to become the Soul King, which Yhwach can match. TYBW Aizen could also casually use Black Coffin, which Monster Aizen needed an incantation for. This is the feat that made Urahara think Aizen got more powerful, making it consistent. Aizen kept the Hōgyoku, so there's no reason he'd be weaker. Scaling to 4D Aizen should be valid.
As for scaling to 5D Ichigo, it's less clear. But Yhwach says he's regained his lost power. Old Man Zangetsu outright tells Ichigo all the power he's used so far is a fraction of his true power and Rukia states he regained his full power by the end of the Fullbringer arc. Tsukushima and Ginjo back up him regaining full power. It's extremely consistent that TYBW Ichigo surpasses Dangai Ichigo.
Arguments against
The idea of TYBW characters being this far above everything prior is ludicrous when there's many examples of other characters scaling. Whilst Captains are handwaved through training, Ayon was able to damage Quilge Opie, who could face Ichigo even without Volstandig. There's also Grimmjow ripping out Askin's heart, so it's not a one-off outlier.
The most incriminating evidence is how Kenpachi physically should be incapable of catching up to Aizen. The Hōgyoku surpasses the physical limits of a Soul Reaper to become more powerful than a Soul Reaper can become. Ichigo only reached this level due to becoming both Hollow and Soul Reaper. The entire narrative point of the Hōgyoku and Aizens narrations is surpassing the limits of a Soul Reaper. It makes no narrative sense for Kenpachi to reach this level.
Overall
There's decent arguments for both sides, bit ultimately it's more likely that Kenpachi is on the level of Dangai Ichigo. The arguments are more recent and slightly more consistent, so we'll give Kenpachi the benefit of the doubt and 5D scaling.
Verdicts
Stats
So to start, attack potency can skew a decent amount depending on what you buy. So we'll make our a list ranking them all.
Whilst you can argue he gets higher, most of Boros high-ends are really vague. Without scaling to the god tiers his best feat is his Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon threatening to destroy the Earth, putting him solidly at 59.44 Zettatons, baseline planet level.
Battle Beast also has a fair amount of variety in stats, but the most solid feats are the destruction of Viltrum among the 3 Viltrumites, or 750 Yottatons.
Thor is likely universal, at least for now. It's entirely possible this gets retconned in the future when we have more info on the Primordials, but for now Primordial scaling is legit.
Kenpachi should scale to a minimum of low multiversal even without Dangai scaling. With it, he's 5D, which is orders of infinity above all his opponents, even if you use their highest ends.
As for speed, the ranking is very different.
Thor’s high-end scaling arguments are, for lack of a better word, really bad. He should be able to upscale Ares considering he's a fighter and Ares is basically fodder, so he should be about 0.33 c.
Boros is slightly better, scaling to the combined feat of Monster Garou and Platinum Sperm moving at 4.33 c, or roughly 13 times faster than Thor.
Kenpachi having speeds at 19.55 c helps him overtake the others, although multiplier scaling coukd theoretically get him significantly higher. Either way…
Battle Beast utterly dwarfs the speed department, with his highest ends reaching 32.7 Billion c, dwarfing all of the other members of the battle royale by billions.
So when it comes to stats, there’s a pretty clear hierarchy. Kenpachi is leaps and bounds above any of the others, being able to one-shot the others pretty easily and definitely isn’t going down to brute force. Thor is much stronger than the others as well but lacks the speed to help, so he could struggle with getting off his instant kill moves on the others. Battle Beast has a huge speed advantage but lacks the strength to dominate everyone but Boros, who’s consistently one of the weakest here.
Abilities/Arsenal
These characters all rely on mostly brute force, but there’s still a few factors we have to discuss here.
If the fight came to space, be it on purpose or through planetary destruction, Kenpachi is going to be running the fight on a timer considering how he almost died after a few seconds in space compared to others. Battle Beast has multiple ways of staying alive in space, based on his jetpack, mask and stamina. We’ve never seen if Boros or Thor have any space-survival abilities, so Battle Beast definitely has the best advantage in this scenario.
Thor’s heat manipulation may seem like a helpful win-con at first, but Battle Beast has a definitive way of countering this. Atmospheric re-entry, which Battle Beast survived casually, can reach up to 1,650 degrees Celsius, and Thor’s hammer being as hot as lava is a comparatively meager 1,200 degrees. Kenpachi once again doesn’t have any resistances to heat attacks. Boros is questionable, because while we know his planet is covered in lava that doesn’t mean he’s been hit by it. So Thor has a definitive wincon against both Boros and Kenpachi but lacks this ability against Battle Beast.
Battle Beast also has the viable option of BFR using his teleporter, which could strand others on his ship. This is a notably out-of-character move for him considering how he likes to fight fair and lose to a stronger opponent.
Kenpachi can also simply crush the souls of his opponents, and being stronger than the others makes this likely to happen immediately. This is extremely useful considering none of his opponents have any counter to it.
Boros holds potentially the best advantage out of his regeneration, which allows his to recover from almost anything his opponents throw at his instantly.
Overall while Battle Beast has the best resistances out of the group, Boros holds regeneration as a valid card next to Thors heat manipulation and Kenpachi’s soul manipulation.
Overall
Whilst these characters are all very powerful in their own right, there has to be a ranking. So without further ado:
4. Boros
“You are indeed worth defeating!”
Advantages
- Potentially the strongest if you buy contentious scaling and feats and don’t buy Dangai scaling
- Faster than Thor
- Regeneration gave a huge leg-up on the other fighters who would seriously struggle killing him
- Could potentially resist Thor’s heat manipulation
- Coolest attack name in all of fiction
- Best buds with Battle Beast
- Strongest of today
Disadvantages
- Most likely the weakest combatant
- Slower than Battle Beast and Kenpachi by wide margins
- Scaling to top tiers is unlikely
- Loses his lifespan the longer the fight continues
- Needs regeneration to stand a chance here
- The current state of the manga(too many redraws)
- One chance at revival in the webcomic was stopped by Genos
3. Battle Beast
“I was promised this world offered worthy opponents! But, oh, how you disappoint. Killing you is an act of mercy.”
Advantages
- Fastest by a wide margin
- Third strongest
- BFR in a viable wincon…
- Only one surviving a fight in space
- Resists multiple of the opponents haxes
- Best stamina of the 4
- Has one of the coolest fights in all of comics and some of the hardest panels
- Only one to canonically have sex
- Best buds with Boros
Disadvantages
- Weaker than Thor and Kenpachi
- … in-character, he wouldn’t use it
- Spin-off got announced and almost cancelled the blog
- Lost his girl to Space Racer after dying
- Tech Jacket metas are fraudulent
2. Thor
"Just make it worth my while. Otherwise I'll kill you."
Advantages
- Second strongest and could easily one-shot both below him
- Fastest if you use his best speed scaling…
- Heat manipulation gives a leg up on other combatants
- Doesn’t fully rely on his hammer
- Gauntlets can potentially survive any opposing attack
- Actually won his dream fight
- Professional aura farmer
- The drip though
Disadvantages
- Weaker than Kenpachi by a long shot
- … but most likely the slowest by far
- Not much hax
- Give my man more screen time he’s the vanguard of the gods
1. Kenpachi Zaraki
"I want to get stronger. I've finally found a worthy opponent. I can get stronger. I want to fight. I want to get stronger. It sure has been a while. To feel this desire again. I want to get stronger."
Advantages
- Strongest by orders of infinity
- Second fastest
- Could soul crush everyone else instantly
- Arguably invisible to everyone else
- Most experienced
- Kenpachi vs Gremmy and Kenpachi vs Nnoitra are the best Bleach fights don’t @ me
- Can rap
- Dripped out
- It was stated in the CFYOW
Disadvantages
- Significantly slower than Battle Beast
- No counter to being taken to space
- No counter to heat manipulation
- May struggle with Boros regeneration
- His haircut
Looks like on this knight, blood has been spilled. The winner of The Final Round is Kenpachi.
Votes:
Kenpachi (1) - u/Imgonnadeleteyou
Anyone else (0) - this is a one man project lmao
Next time
Seeing as this was just me making this, it’s obviously taken a lot of time between life and procrastination. I don’t have a definitive answer for what’s next, so you guys are going to vote on what matchup I’m doing next out of the following.
AM vs The Qu(I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream vs All Tomorrows)
Rob vs The Spot(Across the Spider-Verse vs The Amazing World of Gumball)
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I am just pointing out you forgot Kenny's eye patch, he technically didn't unlock bankai till Yachiru gave it to him against Gerald, I think you said Mayuri but ment Cien with the damaging organs thing, you left out some of his ability names like the two handed strike or firing energy waves from his blade and hardening his internal organs (they aren't naturally like that) and left out scaling to Hikone
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